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pelosi and democrats were in power. he would introduce that budget as the minority budget. 20, 25% routinely voted against. when the tea party with cavemen and when republicans retake the house and that ryan was chairman of the house budget committee, he was very, very clever to develop consensus among all these think tanks, leadership as well and the small number of moderates were drowned out and possibly the bill passed with four republicans voting against it, which was an astonishing consensus. i is widely admired amongst the freshman class. he's a very clever guy. as my friend at "the new york times" magazine wrote in his piece recently on ryan is he's been at this guys to put up the seat who makes you feel like he's about politics and not about politics. he's practiced his own brand of politics. >> showed romney and ryan lose on november's nixon get reelected on the same day to receive in wisconsin and returns to the chorus? is that okay with him and with that he okay with him will ryan with his newfound celebrity possibly displace boehner, cantor and the others in some sort
to make that happen. that means, who do you need? nancy pelosi and you're going to have to get democrats to get something through the house. and so, i certainly think republicans hurt themselves in their leverage and look at the polling, 51% of americans have a favorable view of democrats, 31% of americans have a favorable view of republicans, and i can't imagine after watching what happened last night that those numbers for republicans have gotten better. i imagine they've gotten worse. i think the last thing i'll say here is for speaker boehner, he is in a very weakened position in terms of, you know, trying to bargain because he couldn't -- the plan "b" was a terrible, terrible deal from the democrats' perspective. had lots of sweeteners that the republicans wanted in terms of cuts. and he couldn't get the votes for it. >> well, for a lot of reason. dan greenhaus, you know what happens? if the fiscal cliff goes to january, the middle class tax cuts won't be extended, right? they end. but if you're a republican in the house, you'll be voting for a tax reduction. in other words, the fir
of the simpson-bowles plan, not good enough. in the second part of the proposal he took part of what nancy pelosi offered may of this year to raise taxes of 1 million and above. what has the president offered? and basically jamie with both proposals in ten years we're still going to have 21 trillion dollars worth of debt. >> jamie: angela. >> both proposals-- yes? >> not every republican agrees with speaker boehner on the compromise so there's pushback on both sides from democrats who control the senate and from the president and from some fellow residentiapublicans we taken a step back? i want to ask both of you, angela first. >> here is the rub, president obama knows nothing about being a great legislator and the tea party doesn't either. it's great to run on principle and sign a pledge you won't raise taxes, but in d.c., jamie, you have to compromise. ronald reagan figured that out, bill clinton figured that out, lbj was with the civil rights legislation figured that out. both sides need to come together again, it's on president obama, harry reid and the tea party. >> jamie: let's get michael
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